Thursday, February 14, 2008

Worlds and Realities

Tucson, Arizona. I had a terrific evening last night among GOP candidates and supporters, enjoying intelligent dialog with highly informed people truly committed to the well being of our local community, our state, and our nation. I was so engaged in conversation I never made it to the humidor to grab a cigar. I finally got to meet Sonoran Alliance blogger OVD, who like my father, is one of those Christians who actually pays attention to the teachings of Christ. True Christians understand that Jesus Christ is not about hating the different and screwing the poor. A Christian that pays attention to the teachings of Christ?


Ray Carroll was there for awhile and I had the opportunity to speak with him briefly. He is part of the solution, not the problem. A discussion about the Pima County Board of Supervisors would remove all doubt that a certain blogger is indeed Independent. In that group, a red tsunami is fine with me. However, new blue is on the horizon. It's time for a certain supervisor who says she's about workforce development to take a hike.

She and the Mayor can go to PCC for high tech training.


Vic of course was there the entire evening, but no Framer. Frank Antoneri showed up later on, and he has the zeal of a sports fan for the meltdown scenario. Frank is eager to enjoy a good meat lovers pizza with some beer as the Democrats ram Hillary down the throat of a party screaming for another candidate.


Blogger Liza said...

These are good videos.

X4mr, have you seen the Lawrence Lessig video about Obama on Michael's blog? I just happened to see it yesterday. There are so many posts on his blog that I think it got buried way down there so I thought about asking you to post it. It is 20 minutes long and absolutely incredible. The last five minutes (approximately)are truly profound.

This is the video on Lessig's website.

It is also on Obama's website. I haven't heard of Lawrence Lessig prior to this, but I'm impressed.

2/14/2008 12:17 PM  
Blogger Dustin said...

I didn't see it on mike's blog, but I did look it up on youtube. It was pretty good, and more eloquently sums up the way I feel about this race than I ever could.

2/14/2008 2:02 PM  
Blogger Liza said...

Yeah, I agree. Lessig is apparently one of those guys who can make every sentence count. He is an articulate, clear thinker with a soothing voice.

And there are still those who undermine the power of words and the power of a great speaker.

Now it is both of the old party warhorses, Hillary and McCain, accusing Obama of making speeches that say nothing.

I feel that this is getting to be about generations. The old, beat up politicians versus someone who has a different vision that is shared and understood by millions of people. The warhorses do not want to let go of the power. So they work that "experience" angle as though what they have done so far is admirable and effective and should be repeated.

America is screaming and they cannot hear it. Their own voices are just too loud.

2/14/2008 2:38 PM  
Blogger x4mr said...


Thanks and I will get to it. I am currently at a location with insufficient bandwidth for video.

I'll take a look this evening.

2/14/2008 2:39 PM  
Blogger Dustin said...

you guys see the GOP walkout hissy fit today? awesomesauce.

2/14/2008 2:48 PM  
Blogger Liza said...

Here is the latest for the meltdown scenario. Yes, Hillary is willing to take the party down with her, if necessary. We knew that.


"Hillary Clinton will take the Democratic nomination even if she does not win the popular vote, but persuades enough superdelegates to vote for her at the convention, her campaign advisers say.

The New York senator, who lost three primaries Tuesday night, now lags slightly behind her rival, Illinois Senator Barack Obama, in the delegate count. She is even further behind in "pledged'' delegates, those assigned by virtue of primaries and caucuses.

But Clinton will not concede the race to Obama if he wins a greater number of pledged delegates by the end of the primary season, and will count on the 796 elected officials and party bigwigs to put her over the top, if necessary, said Clinton's communications director, Howard Wolfson."

This doesn't get any better for John McCain and probably explains why he has joined Hillary in attacking Obama. He has a very decent chance for the presidency if the Democratic party gives the nomination to Hillary.

In the end, I wonder if this is just what George Wallace said in 1968, "There is not a dimes worth of difference between the Democrats and the Republicans."

It would be the first time I agree with a southern, white racist about anything, but I will believe it when they elect Hillary at the convention.

2/14/2008 4:25 PM  
Blogger Dustin said...

I get the impression that she feels she is owed this, and that is BS.

2/14/2008 4:39 PM  
Blogger x4mr said...

I don't have time at the moment, but I'm going to follow this for a post.

What a jerk.

2/14/2008 5:23 PM  
Blogger Liza said...

Dustin, your impression is absolutely correct. Hillary's sense of entitlement is off the charts. Can you imagine anything more arrogant than inflicting your own personal and selfish desires upon the entire nation?

I'm just glad that someone from the Billary, Inc. has admitted this on the record. It gives the people some time to let the Democratic party know what they think, even though it should be obvious.

I am so disgusted by the Clintons right now that I am pretty much at a loss for words.

2/14/2008 5:43 PM  
Blogger Liza said...

Hillary's latest from Lordstown, Ohio:

""Clinton stepped up her efforts to marginalize of Obama as offering little substance to complement his inspirational rhetoric.

“Speeches don’t put food on the table,” she said. “Speeches don’t fill up your tank, or fill your prescription, or do anything about that stack of bills that keeps you up at night.”

The New York Senator and former First Lady told the audience of GM employees and UAW members that she understands the pinch of the middle class.""

Hillary is on a MAJOR ROLL to get people to stop listening to Obama. His oratory skills are his strength, and she must marginalize them.

My response to Hillary is the following and I apologize in advance for the harsh language.

NAFTA didn't exactly put food on their tables either, you stupid f***ing bitch.

Hillary is trying to distance herself from NAFTA. She has 35 years of experience only much of that is actually Bill's experience and part of Bill's legacy is NAFTA. Hillary is basically saying that she opposed it but they rammed it down her throat.

Now say "President McCain" and see how you like it.

2/14/2008 6:48 PM  
Blogger Sirocco said...

I haven't watched the linked video (no time), but if we're talking about the Stanford lawyer and free software advocate, he's an incredibly bright, well-spoken man, one of those who says more worthwhile things while talking in his sleep than most people do in a month.

2/14/2008 7:16 PM  
Blogger Framer said...


Sorry I missed the event. I was attending the Saddlebrook Republican Club meeting (over 500 Republicans in that group, possibly the largest Republican club in the Southwest.) After that I had other campaign business to attend to.

I do intend on making it to a Drinking Liberally event, although I will probably smuggle in Yoohoo. I'll bring one for you as well.

2/14/2008 9:20 PM  

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