Thursday, September 24, 2009

Regan Diplomacy

Readers have perhaps heard the noise about tea bagger Thomas D. Young's filing the paperwork for a recall of Congresswoman Giffords (D-AZ CD8) in a publicity seeking stunt that violates federal law. I won't get into the Arizona statutes regarding recalls, but as pointed out in the comment thread at the recent Star article, the timing aspects of a recall make such efforts utterly ridiculous for an official running for re-election in a year. Young knows this, as he expressed in an 9/9/9 comment at the Tucson Tea Party website.

Yes I understand the time required to launch a recall, BUT That is not my intent, Just the appearance of such a thing spread across 18 states would send a shock wave through the nation, we need recognition to get more of the fence sitters engaged. If there is a way to just file, to start the process then, perhaps the major news media will wake up that we are not a fringe group. If you think of it like the art of war, or chess or poker, if you will some times just the appearance of a BIG STICK is enough to get a result (Regan Diplomacy).

Think and pray on it, get some others to discuss it, I really think that this will work , if you really wish to UP the ante this is the next best step! We could show up with 2000 people out side her office, it may help with awareness locally but we need to get the 60% of the nation to wake the hell up!! Getting behind a candidate 1.5 years from now does not help the cause next mouth, at the rate that O-but-head is pass and changing things we may not get a chance to vote again !!

Thomas D Young

I think "mouth" is a typo for month. I speculate that "pass and changing" means "passing and changing." I tend to be forgiving of grammar and typos in a blog environment, but no distinction at all between commas and periods? Whatever, but to assert Obama can take away our chance to vote?

I have a degree of confidence that by "Regan" he means Ronald Reagan and not the Binghamton University political science professor. So what if Young can't spell butt, but a tea bagger misspelling Reagan?!

Young's inane recall is not what warrants this post. What warrants this post is that Young's "Regan Diplomacy" reasoning for the recall perfectly captures the bankruptcy of the crumbling conservatives who have no big stick. Void of any solutions or ideas, let's fake it. His comment above, in many ways, says a lot.

Occam's Razor.


Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well said. It is painful to witness the distortions and lies of the fanatics. I guess they think that if they scream loud enough, their views will prevail.

While 45,000 die every year in real time in real families due to no health care, the kooks howl about fake death panels that kill no one.

9/24/2009 9:35 PM  
Blogger Liza said...

I didn't even know about this "recall" of Gabrielle Giffords. A better use of the tea baggers' resources would be to find a credible candidate to run against Giffords in 2010. Easier said than done, I suppose.

However, on a personal level I am glad to see them using up their time and energy on something as futile as this is. I also think it is kind of amusing that this Young character wants to change the perception that these tea baggers are "fringe." Yes, the way to do that is to engage in this groundbreaking and precedent setting recall of a congressional representative because you do not agree with a couple of her policy positions.

The one thing that these loons have going for them is that their loon supporters are willing to repeat their message endlessly and anywhere because they are not bothered by how people react to them.

My husband had surgery at the VA on Monday, so I waited for him in this room with all of these other people who were also waiting for someone.

A group of people walks in, three women and two men, all in the 70s. They sit down together and within a short time, one of the women is dominating the conversation. You knew that this woman had not stopped running her mouth for the last 70 years.

What she had to say was essentially a recitation of wingnut talking points about various political issues. I'm looking around at the other people in the room who were silently waiting for news about whoever they had brought in for surgery. But the old lady is relentless. She knows those talking points and she continued to spew them in a very loud voice with total and complete disregard for the others in the room.

I do not believe that this kind of person is representative of a large part of the population, not even here in Tucson. But they sure as hell know how to draw attention to themselves, and that I believe, is their "big stick." It is just a willingness to say and/or repeat the moronic statements they are fed with total disregard for how they are perceived by others. All of their tactics and strategies amount to just one thing - make a lot of noise.

9/25/2009 10:14 AM  
Anonymous Scarlett Letter said...

Liza, I'm headed to the VA with my husband next Monday.
I won't be afraid to tell a loudmouth (who is benefiting from GOVERNMENT largese) to shut up!

9/25/2009 1:21 PM  
Blogger The Navigator said...

Good post, and I think you're right about the "illusion of big stick" idea because the slightest perception or insight shows these people are nuts and forwarding no solution to any issue.

I actually feel a little optimistic at the moment. I think the right has overshot its mark with all this hatred. It's hard to sustain a lie indefinitely. Polls are already starting to shift.

Regarding Giffords, they are about to look like idiots. Why stop there? Why not call for Obama's recall? I thought my disgust with the Republicans hit the highest peak possible with Bush, Cheney, and Rove. I was wrong. Now I completely despise these people.

By referring to them as people, I wonder if I presume too much.

9/25/2009 3:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Incompetent W, evil Cheney, and conniving Rove accelerated the demise of the Republicans. Now they are so low they are rallying behind "You lie!" Wilson. I find the irony fascinating.

The Palin/Wilson ticket will take the country by storm. Go Sarah Joe!

Go Sarah Joe!
Go Sarah Joe!

I love it.

9/25/2009 7:24 PM  
Blogger Sirocco said...

There is a well known chess adage (well, well-known among serious tournament players anyhow) which says "the threat is stronger than the execution".

The meaning is that, during a game, every turn the threat is on the board your opponent has to expend time thinking about it, and making sure he has appropriate counter-measures in place, but the actual threat itself can only be played once. Once played, your opponent doesn't have to worry about it anymore.

Of course, all of this is true only if the threat itself is meaningful. Meaningless threats, such as Young's, are in reality no threat at all, and get ignored.

9/27/2009 7:28 PM  
Blogger x4mr said...

I'm glad we never played chess.

9/27/2009 9:25 PM  
Blogger Liza said...

I would have loved to have told the old wingnut lady to STFU, but my public self is actually quite restrained (compared to my blogging self.)

The game that is being played is just not comparable to chess where two people face off and the better player wins.
In political games, an opponent can generate support for his position no matter what it is. That includes having no position at all except for being the opponent.
The "threat" actually has some basis in reality. If Young really were able to mobilize a few thousand supporters, that would most definitely be a threat. However, I think he underestimates the complacency of the average person, and his little crusade is destined to remain on the fringe.

9/28/2009 9:39 AM  

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