Sunday, October 28, 2007

Spiral Out

I am posting this particular video a little ahead of schedule in light of recent events. I would prefer the text aimed a little higher, but good enough, and the song contains a great deal more than the text mentions. A great deal more.

Maynard's out there, and regardless of what one thinks of the song (the song itself is the original content, not the images or the text), I can promise it points to real stuff, and it's not what they cover in church. The content on the Fibonacci Sequence also has the golden mean material. Some might find the Meru Foundation link to the right interesting.


Blogger Dustin said...

While I like NIN alot, I have to say that Tool is probably my favorite band hands down. I never knew why, but I liked lateralus the least of their offerings. of course, that's not saying much, I still love it, even if I like undertow best of all.

10/29/2007 7:31 AM  
Blogger Dustin said...

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10/29/2007 7:31 AM  
Anonymous The Navigator said...

x4mr, willing to elaborate a little on the content of the song?

Yes, there is a lot here. Even neophytes will pick up on the "as below so above" but I was wondering if you would dig a little deeper.

Throw us a bone?

10/29/2007 9:16 AM  
Blogger x4mr said...

feed my will to feel my moment

10/29/2007 2:16 PM  
Anonymous The Navigator said...

Do you refer to simultaneity introduced into a particular observation with a degree of objectivity?

10/29/2007 7:22 PM  
Blogger x4mr said...


Yes. Have you seen "What the Bleep?"

Whatever about all of it until the very end, when they discuss the "ultimate observer."

What would an ultimate observer observe? Past? Future? Of course not. The "flash" would be of the immediate moment in its infinite depth, free of the personality.

Direct knowledge occurs when nothing exists between you and that which you know, not even a thought.

Can you see that?

In computer speak, imagine a computer creating an sense of itself outside of its OS.

If we are more than our OS, what?

10/29/2007 9:58 PM  
Blogger Dustin said...

"In computer speak, imagine a computer creating an sense of itself outside of its OS."

It would stop being a computer. Allow me to think out loud. AI such as it is, operates by doing X when condition(s) Y are met, just like any other logic based system.

I suppose the real question gets boiled back down to mind/body. In this case the question could be posed as, "do we only operate within a subtle and complex set of rules?"

I lack the knowledge to make an educated guess, and introspection can only take you so far.

Whatever one may think about dualism/monism, I think it must be noted that we are forced to experience the world through the lense of our physical/menatal selves. Personality will always be a factor, thought will always be a factor, and our understanding will always be colored by those two things. If there is an ultimate fundamental layer of reality, how could we ever discern it? as seductive as the ideas of consensus and togetherness are, I cannot escape the feeling that when it comes to discerning what "reality is" we are all ultimately alone.

10/30/2007 8:15 AM  
Anonymous The Navigator said...

Direct knowledge occurs when nothing exists between you and that which you know, not even a thought.

That's from Meetings with Remarkable Men. I found the notion intriguing then and still do. Are you saying that you have had this experience?

Dustin, no offense, but you are out of your league on this one, and it's to your credit that you acknowledge this. Your speculation is reasonable.

Both the song/video and x4mr refer to "outside the box" and here we can be rigorous about the "box" and by it refer to the "machine" that we are, thoughts, feelings, body, habits, personality, etc.

I have seen "What the Bleep?" and remember the part at the end about the "ultimate observer."

I am curious, x4mr, do you use meditation? You listed In Search of the Miraculous at your profile. What do you think of Ouspensky?

10/30/2007 6:10 PM  
Blogger x4mr said...

Your remark to Dustin, while I'm sure he can handle it, occurred a little off. Not much, but enough for me to comment. His comment was entirely appropriate and his speculation intelligent and sound. I note this because I don't want anyone "shut down" in terms of expressing themselves. Dustin's part of the solution, and I don't want him to hold back in sharing his views.

Ouspensky committed the all too common mistake of seduction by significance. The guy literally thought he was the next evolution of Aristotle. Tertium Organum was meant to be the next framework on which humanity based its thinking. Uhh, no.

Gurdjieff tossed him at once when the dynamics were clear. Still, Ouspensky's Miraculous written while enthusiastic with the taste of the extraordinary before he thought he owned it, makes great reading. Ouspensky was anything but stupid. In fact, his intellect proved his demise. That happens often. Maurice Nicole's Commentaries feed a hungry head and cause no harm.

Unfortunately, we are talking about the eye of the needle. The "rich" (in this context, money does not exist) need not apply. The valuable inquiry involves what must be given up. What must I give up to gain access to something else?

I make the following promise. You go no where in this terrain if you have to take your ego with you. In both 1993 and 1981, the access to the next level came from acknowledging sheer bankruptcy and emptiness.

In that chamber before the infinite, the mind was worthless in finding the word. Only by opening himself up to something higher did the answer appear. Once he was open, it could not have been easier. The jewel fell in his lap.

In 1981, the governor faced the same bankruptcy.

Don't underestimate Dustin. The last five words of his last comment speak legion, "We are all ultimately alone."

10/30/2007 7:35 PM  
Blogger Dustin said...

No worries, I don't bruise easily, and anyway, how do you expect to learn anything if you don't put yourself out there. Thanks for the props though, I like to think I have at least a rudimentary understanding of the forces at play.

10/31/2007 6:31 AM  
Anonymous The Navigator said...

I said "no offense" and correctly believed that Dustin could handle my wording. If it came across as disrespectful, which I doubt, then I apologize. No disrespect was intended, Dustin. You are obviously bright.

Stupid people do not read this blog, much less comment.

X4mr, I am indeed impressed. My appreciation for your "Something Else" continues to grow. You really should publish it some day formally and polished.

10/31/2007 2:43 PM  

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